Hello, I've found in "tales of power" that one of the ways to stop internal talk is meditative walking excercise however i find it hard and it dont work for me, i am interested in listenings to sounds now, what exactly i may do when taking listening to sounds excercise ? i've heard some experienced people use term "listening only using one active channel of ear" or something.. can you explain me a little bit how can i do it ? thanks.
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Re: stopping internal talk
Sat, December 9, 2006 - 11:05 PMhave you read "the power of silence" as well? that presents the best advice for stopping internal dialogue. -
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Sun, December 10, 2006 - 3:01 AMno i've just read first four books, i'll read it thanks, i wanted to read 5,6 books but i found "the second ring of fire" a little boring :) -
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Sun, December 10, 2006 - 3:47 PMinternal dialouge is like water pressure. i have a paranoid technique when you do a meditation
pretend someone is listening to your thoughts telepathically. it helps to create a little drama sometimes .
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Mon, December 11, 2006 - 4:37 PMsecond ring of fire is probably the worst book, it picks up again with the eagle's gift and then EXPLODES with the fire from within and the power of silence again. second ring is really carlos trying to include gender, and pretty much coming up short.
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Mon, December 11, 2006 - 4:38 PMi have an idea for stopping internal dialogue -- eat my earmuffs pookie bear! try this fudge muffin on for size and then you'll stop with getting lost over dagnabit. this zero-point shit snake eating its tail has got to lie down for a minute and stop eating menus at fancy restaurants -
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Mon, December 11, 2006 - 11:18 PMStopping internal dialogue is tricky. It's like seeing, it's easy, but the barriers are so ingrained that it makes it hard to understand its simplicity. The easiest way I have found to stopping it is to visualize your thoughts, in words, floating across your mind. see them spelled out. This helps get over the hurdle of having a bunch of thoughts going on at the same time. It also helps to realize how mundane most internal chatter really is. Once your projecting them like that it makes it easier to move your real mind away from them. I think the hardest part is refraining from, at the moment, telling yourself your almost there, as this tends to throw one out of it, at least myself. And intend it my friend. Manifest quietude. Inner silence represents living in the now. Without the telling yourself your in the moment, just being in the moment. Walking works for some, but some peoples minds tend to go into chatter overload at this time. Breathing of course is very important as well, tuning into the natural rhythm of ourselves steers us away from pointless self banter. Deep abdominal breaths, slow and focused. Fast shallow breathing leads to more thoughts. Hope it helps, I still struggle with it myself, it's a tough one. -
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Mon, December 11, 2006 - 11:44 PManimalchemis, you are crazy! the only way to stop it is to start it up with a motorcar and sit on a cherry. everyone knows that. -
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Tue, December 12, 2006 - 4:15 AMWell its not simple meditation to stop thoughts, i mean it is stopping internal dialog which is a part of our tonal attention, like you are looking at the flower, stop internal dialogue then you "see" not a flower but "flower's reason of being" or something like that. -
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Tue, December 12, 2006 - 10:04 AMYes, I am crazy, but that's besides the point. lol -
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Tue, December 12, 2006 - 4:26 PMyou guys are all full of shit, the only way to stop internal dialogue is to brush your teeth for 10 hours straight and blink really fast. ancient toltec practice, very secret, but guaranteed success! also, winking your bumbum every 10 seconds helps.
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Tue, December 12, 2006 - 4:31 PMmaybe we stop internal dialogue and then watch it from outside of it, even though it's still going. the blah blah blah is just a wrench in the toolbox, put it away when you don't need a wrench! -
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Thu, December 14, 2006 - 6:34 AMYou can't stop internal talk....
Just pay attention to it and have a little conversation with it to satisfy its attention craving.. It'll leave you alone once it feels appreciated... until you stop paying attention to it again. -
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Thu, December 14, 2006 - 8:44 AMI can stop my thoughts after meditation, i then look to something and i am completely free from dialogue, which tells me about the thing i am looking into, but anyway i cannot see that thing or "release my first attention", i cant breakthru into the uncertainty !!!! I am tired of fighting with myself.. -
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Thu, December 14, 2006 - 12:22 PMdon't take things so literally. find a view outside representation and metarepresentaiton.
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Thu, December 14, 2006 - 3:23 PMit seems like you are becoming too obsessed with the exercise. let it go. in western magick there is a thing called "lust for results"
which means whatever sorcery you do has more of a potential to manifest if you forget about the whole desire and let it go and dont fixate on it. just practice and if you dont get the results you want, change your technique to one that you feel is powerful,there are other ways other than a sit down meditation to shut off dialouge and get into the zone. maybe you can try exercise, video games, masturbation,art,music.
golddust
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Thu, December 14, 2006 - 4:22 PMi'll let you in on an inside secret -- internal dialogue never stops completely, it just gets repositioned as you shift the assemblage point to silent knowledge.
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