Has anyone determined what Don Juan was using as/ingredents in little smoke?
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Re: The 'little smoke'
Sun, May 14, 2006 - 2:20 PMI thought it was just jimson weed. I must be remembering wrong.
Recall that drugs sort of left the picture for the last 85% of his works as well. -
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Re: The 'little smoke'
Mon, May 15, 2006 - 6:14 AMI am more inclined to the term entheogens, as there is a note-worthy distinction to ‘drugs’.
Entheogens are the foundation of the C. Castaneda visions, of which all of his works are colored. It was his door way into 'dream visions'. Second, let us not be so hasty is our philosophic endeavors to assume the entheogens were not a major priority/necessary to D. Juan and his way of life. There would be no Castaneda without entheogens.
My interest is in the Entheogenic's and the mapping of the dimensional landscape. I believe Castaneda provides a verifiable and working primer to my endeavors.
I noted of the ingredents mentions; there was a yellow flower, mushrooms, tobacco, and (hmmm the key ingredent). I am curious as the to 'yellow flower.' -
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Re: The 'little smoke'
Mon, May 15, 2006 - 6:19 AMSorry I should have address your suggestion - Jimson weed. In Yaqui way of knowledge Carlos has to choose between Jimson weed and little smoke...based on that Im of the assumption that they are two different items.
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Re: The 'little smoke'
Mon, May 15, 2006 - 1:08 PMi feel you overestimate the role of entheogens in carlos' work. their main function in my mind was to loosen the firmness and finality of his ordinary descriptions. once that was accomplished, they become not much more than indulgences or toys. that's my take. i am not fixed though... can you share your understanding of their role in more detail? -
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Re: The 'little smoke'
Mon, May 15, 2006 - 1:58 PMyeah that's pretty much the deal in a nutshell.
to allow a more fluid movement of the assemblage point.
also the descriptions of the 'recipes' for the uses of these particular tools are not entirely complete, as well as the methods for preparation being specific to Carlos' individual nature.
warnings and bewares to those who attempt usage of these plant beings without the tutelage of an individual who has extensive experience with them.
my 2 cents
good luck and happy journeys. -
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Re: The 'little smoke'
Mon, May 15, 2006 - 2:31 PMwhen i introduce carlos' works to others, i try to gauge how loose they are. if they are already pretty loose, i usually recommend skipping the first book and either starting with "a separate reality" or "journey to ixtlan": "journey" if they are more likely to bail, "separate reality" if they are likely to stick with it.
expanding one's experiences with substances or other means as an end in itself is a lot like watching TV. well, pretty damn cool tv, but you know what i mean. you can indulge and end up harming your brain. sorry to get all materialist, but our brains are delicate crystals and don't do to well if they are juggled constantly!
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Re: The 'little smoke'
Mon, May 15, 2006 - 5:50 PMTo say 'nutshell' is hastening the issue I think. When we include our understand of 'shaman' cultures all over the world...these practises(entheogens) are essential to there social and spiritual structure.
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Re: The 'little smoke'
Mon, May 15, 2006 - 5:48 PMJeff,
I think it was welcoming the way you put your position, " i am not fixed though... can you share your understanding of their role in more detail? "
And I have no intend on changing your view, only to share mine and guage rational feed back.
This is the start of my second reading of Carlos Castandeda (first being ten years ago). Coincidentally pickin up 'Art of Dreaming' for the second time - finished it - and decided to read to series through again. And I have started this second endeavor with entheogens at the heart, so perhaps I am putting entheogens first.
Don Juan seemed to put 'unnecessary' diligence on the use of datura & little smoke...making it the focus of C.C. first 4 years.
I am just starting 'separate realities' which started in 68' four years after Yaqui way of knowledge...And would love to keep this discourse going and post updates to get your insight. -
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Re: The 'little smoke'
Mon, May 15, 2006 - 6:12 PMsaying nutsehell was a comment to a point, not the entire issue.
in respect to the author of the post.
The issue regarding movemnt of the assemblage point and the largesse of the topic I feel is obvious.
That said I maintain my stance.
again good luck
and happy journeys.
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Re: The 'little smoke'
Mon, May 15, 2006 - 6:15 PMI assure you I am not 'loose'...nor a zealot...
I hope that was not an assertion of my mental ability. I would be offended.
I dont purpose to start a conversation on speculation and end it on conjecture, I sure you. -
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Re: The 'little smoke'
Mon, May 15, 2006 - 7:34 PMi wasn't responding to you personally. i'm sorry for not being clearer! i was just intending to share my current position, which could change easily, for the sake of collaboration. i welcome your comments and have openly asked for you to share your position as well.
when i said "loose" i intended it as a positive term. i meant flexible and open to mystery. i don't know you and don't presume to know your position just from a few comments. i have benefited personally very much from my non-ordinary experiences and don't deride anyone for their experiences. i simply was making a comment that one could theoretically get too attached to them as a source for non-ordinary experience, as opposed to the myriad of techniques carlos shares in the majority of his books that don't utilize entheogens. no hangover! ; ) -
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Re: The 'little smoke'
Wed, May 24, 2006 - 6:49 PMlittle smoke is a mix of 3 different plants
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Re: The 'little smoke'
Fri, April 27, 2007 - 3:57 PMIt seems likely to me that the yellow flowers are from canary island broom. This plant grows well in the area and is supposed to have been used by the Yaqui.
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Re: The 'little smoke' - Salvia?
Sat, September 16, 2006 - 1:43 AMHas anyone thought of Salvia Divinorum? At least as an ingredient.
Because Salvia definitely can be an ally, and the descriptions resonate with my experiences with her...
"The little smoke only tells me what to do. Then I must protect myself."
"The smoke, on the other hand, is an ally. It transforms you and gives you power without ever showing its presence. You can't talk to it, but you know it exists because it takes your body away and makes you as light as air.
"Yet you never see it; but it is there giving you power to accomplish unimaginable things, such as when it takes your body away." -
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Re: The 'little smoke' - Salvia?
Sun, September 17, 2006 - 12:12 PMi did the power plants for about three years. i got to a point where i became too sensitve and got the door open that needed to open. dont do power plants anymore cuz its easy for me open those doors with my intent and will. the only doors im working with now is love and peace and X is helping me with that now.its a very non sexual thing for me.
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Re: The 'little smoke' - Salvia?
Wed, September 27, 2006 - 12:52 PMKerray, my brother and i have just recently met lady salvia, and we both believe that she IS one of the ingredients for the little smoke. she's an ally, number one, and number two, from the research that he has done she can only be found in oaxaca mexico. so it is very very likely that one of the ingredients IS salvia.
funny that we were just talking about this very recently ^.^
and reading over your quotes it seems even MORE likely.
she called to my brother and told him to come to her, we never saw her in our experience, but she showed us other worlds, made my body feel non exsistant. she brought us both to a diffrent place compltly away from our bodies
so heres another vote for, lady salvia being a part of the little smoke
LOVE!!!
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Re: The 'little smoke' - Salvia?
Fri, April 27, 2007 - 4:21 PMI must say, I did think for a while that this might be one of the ingredients, however currently I find it doubtful for several reasons. While I am sure Salvia is an Ally, it is used buccally by shamans in every situation I have heard of, and it is in fact considered insulting to smoke it (I know this is certainly not conclusive.) Also, it does not reproduce readily without human intervention, its seeds are almost always sterile (and as far as anyone can tell they are only ever fertile when the flowers are hand pollinated), and it must therefore be propagated by cuttings. If this were one of the ingredients Don Juan probably would have had to show Carlos how to propagate it which is never mentioned. Also, many people who have used Salvia report meeting the "Salvia Goddess" or "Salvia Spirit" which is considered to be the essence of the plant, and it is specified that the smoke "never shows it presence." -
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Re: The 'little smoke' - Salvia?
Fri, April 27, 2007 - 5:46 PMJohn...
I had note visited this Don Juan tribe in many months...although I have recently visited 2012.
I make no claim to truth.
I do say this in reference to what I have read and came to understand...
The Salvia grows naturally in the right places in Mexico...
Don Juan shows CC how to propagated Jimson Weed and how to 'find' little smoke...
As far as other peoples (this and that, ie. how it effects them)...I find very few people seek out Salvia as an ally (ex. check video.google.com for salvia).
We (you and I ) should revisit this topic with some passages from CC...and try to determine if it is an error on my part...
I stand by my 'assumption'...with certainty. -
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Re: The 'little smoke' - Salvia?
Fri, April 27, 2007 - 5:56 PMJohn,
Would you also be interested in carrying a topic on the 'egg' shape around us CC mention when discussing the 'assemble point'?
At this time, it is my opinoin that SCIENCE in the name of Welhelm Reich has properly shown it to be a matter of Orgone Energy...and Don Juan showing how to turn the body into an Orgone Accumulator...the Orgone Energy theory also deals with 'entities (inorganic)', 'space/dimensional travel'.
Let me know. I would love to mix and match ideas...
Ill even work on my typos...lol
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Re: The 'little smoke' - Salvia?
Mon, April 30, 2007 - 1:09 PMi dont know what the little smoke is made of other than of course magick shrooms.
i have tried smoking them and it was not as effective a eating them. though in the books cc has describes swallowing them throught the pipe.
i do not usually like to mix chemicals. i have never tried ayahuasca which is suppose to be a mix of things.
and the recipe is different everywhere you go.
my suggestion is to not fixate on the recipe and focus on the main ingredient which is teonanctl (mushroom)
i have had great results with that just by itself. -
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Re: The 'little smoke' - Salvia?
Thu, May 3, 2007 - 7:01 AMFrom what I remember it is pot & mush.
Then again a major point here to keep in mind about 'substances' that IS mentioned in the books,
is that: every one of them projects parts of 'Yourself' all over the Univers, and then painstaingly one has to recapture all those blasted bits to become whole again
(from what I remember reading...)
Lovingly,
Mark.
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