Everyone needs to go out and get the book 'The Teachings of Don Carlos' by Victor Sanchez i found it here in the public library in colorado and its got a ton of stuff to do for recapitulation, dreaming, not-doing, stalking, and more. Its really helpful now that ive read all 12 or so books and have been training for a while to get some very specific practices that I can do to store power and gain more experiences and abilities. I highly reccomend it. If you have any questions on how to do specific things let me know, things are going really well with me ~! ^-^ I will go to other topics to help when I have time too. Take care
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Re: Best Resource for Pragmatic e.g. Practical Toltec Exercises to Develop Your Second and Third Attentions
Mon, July 9, 2007 - 5:45 PMare you an advertisement or a person? considering you have no face or friends, i would guess the former. my personal take on sanchez is that he's one of the kinder and wiser opportunists taking advantage of carlos' gifts and death. i say his book sucks some magic out of carlos' teachings, and are unnecessary. -
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Mon, July 9, 2007 - 7:16 PMI don't want to sound preachy but I don't believe Carlos claimed any ownership of his teachings....I believe he would be the first to admit that they did not originate from him....rather they were passed on to him....I believe the passing on tradition should continue....and there is no shame in making money off hard work....if other authors can get the teachings out there to more people....or in ways that are more accessible and understandable to new people.....what reason is there to condemn them. -
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Tue, July 10, 2007 - 4:50 PMthis is a fair comment toedum, thanks. i operate under the presumption that carlos built a rather clever popularization of existentialism and phenomenology coupled with some indigenous mexican shamanism, but his work was largely "fiction" so to speak. in other words, i don't believe there actually is a definitive toltec spiritual tradition that anyone can participate in; it seems at the present that people are appropriating carlos' beautiful trick into a way to make money, and perhaps spread wisdom at the same time. i don't see in black and white, baby, i see in color, and i now that there are some wonderful dimensions to sanchez's work. but it's still like stopping at burger king for dinner when you ate gourmet for lunch... -
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Wed, July 11, 2007 - 5:15 PMvictor sanchez is a money grubbing HO!!!
he does nothing new just barfs up carlos stuff.
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Wed, July 11, 2007 - 5:52 PMBelieve it or not there are some who would say the same about Carlos.....I am very familiar with a couple of people who he considered his colleagues and friends....and they were very much part of the beginnings of his quest....they get a real kick out of this exclusivity that people assign his works....again his teachings were not original....he did not create them....he brought them to people through his fictionalized books....this seems like Carlos worship and I don't understand it.....I don't know about Victor Sanchez...never read his book..can't say if they are any good..but I do know that some people seem to put Carlos on an exclusive pedestal like his teachings were purely his own and can never be brought out in any other form....I think that is sad....some people are not inclined to "break out Paradighm and create there own"....this does not mean that they should have no practical access to the teachings.....if it is a teaching based on the universal truth....who cares where someone finds it....what is important is they find it...... -
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Wed, July 11, 2007 - 9:32 PMhe was a brilliant popularizer of zen, phenomenology (heidegger and merleau-ponty) and existenentialism (sartre), tai chi, and mexican shamanism. and one helluva writer. hail carlos! scheister, flawed megalomaniac, lover, singer, wise and foolish, bringer of mystery.
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Re: Best Resource for Pragmatic e.g. Practical Toltec Exercises to Develop Your Second and Third Attentions
Thu, August 23, 2007 - 9:36 AMi dont think the many people that knew castaneda including his exwife and kid would lie about going to mexico with him and in the latter case even meeting the 'Indian" that he was workign with. Sure he changed names and maybe place names to guard identities but other than that I find no reason to doubt the truthfulness in the books. Plenty of other people write nonfictional accounts of their life and what they do and change the names and you dont find them being harped upon negatively as much as cataneda is. i think its just because people dont understand it so they are threatened by it and try to debunk it even though you cant really debunk something that happend to somebody. -
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Thu, August 23, 2007 - 4:53 PM"I find no reason to doubt the truthfulness in the books"
believe whatever you want, just don't try jumping off any damn cliffs, ok? but if you do care about the facticity of the books, check out de mille's work in detail. i personally think the books' meaning is derived in part from their playing with the fiction/non-fiction boundary, but apparently it's easy to get lost in the play.
chris, imagination is real, but it is still imagination. whatever a culture may call it, it remains a realm of experience that interacts with but is not identical to what we generally consider overlapping reality. don't let carlos take you down a path of blind relativism or silliness. sober up, and catch the trickster in the act. the trick IS where it happens! ...at least through "the power of silence," at which point he apparently lost his shit.
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Thu, July 19, 2007 - 1:26 PMI flipped through it twice, and quickly put it back on the store's shelf!
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Sun, August 5, 2007 - 11:08 AMi actually bought the thing. that was because i was so infatuated with carlos big gaping hairy culo back then. -
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Mon, August 6, 2007 - 9:44 PMyeah i have it, it is a bit much for sure. i've grabbed a couple tidbits through flipping through it but i had avoided getting it for a long while as everytime i saw it in a bookstore i just moved on quickly...(eventually to get it anyways)
in regards to carlos mania
well who cares
i think the individuals connection is what matters most
on a logical side of things i could easily have sided with the deepest skeptics long ago...except my experience has painted other pictures...with those not able to be explained away so easily i have long preferred the open road as it allows any sort of experience to come through and a deeper openness to the works.
as i write that it does bring up that there is more to understand with that. i do believe that a part of the logical side of things doubts and pushes to create a deeper resolution within.
i have had experiences, prompted by my understandings and more of the books that have been very potent and specific. i do not doubt others have as well. even if you look at energy in the taoist sense of things, the teaching of great manipulators of energy doesn't seem so crazy. however the specifics of the books and the methodology of the teachings bring up further arguments as to how far down the rabbit hole carlos himself went and how much he pulled from other sources.
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Tue, August 7, 2007 - 12:23 PMi think carlos did a bunch of drugs, hung out with some indians in the sixties, and then pulled a fast move to incorporate his understanding of shamanism, zen buddhism, taoism, phenomenology, and existentialism (and later feminism and martial arts) into a popular format and use the vehicle of fiction to play with tricking people into enlightenment. most paranormal experiences don't withstand any kind of independent check at all. reality does seem to be rather fixed for humans, though we can expand our range and certainly the mind can feel like its own universe. i think carlos was enlightened in many ways, but wanted to get laid and be worshipped as well. all heroes end up being false, because real life isn't smooth. -
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Thu, August 16, 2007 - 9:29 PMagreed that it seems that carlos had other things going on but who knows for sure.
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Fri, August 17, 2007 - 7:31 PM"so what do you think about the other authors then, the others that also show the same line of thinking?"
carlos' approach worked best for me in many ways because he got around my rational guard. his mastery of utilizing the imaginal involvement of reading with the fiction/non-fiction distinction as a tool for communicating insight was nothing short of miraculous. you don't read his books; they happen to you. heidegger and merleau-ponty are nearly impenetrable, and zen a little chilly. taoism is sweet, but lacks grit, and shamanism is too often delusional sheisterism. i dig carlos; that's why i'm here! -
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Thu, August 23, 2007 - 9:33 AMima person
a busy person but a person.just like the book and its the only one i have found that even tries to put a pragmatic approach to toltec teachings. so for that i think its quite helpful otherwise a lot of people just read the castaneda books & forget about them instead of utilizing them in a useful way. -
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Thu, August 23, 2007 - 4:47 PM"a pragmatic approach to toltec teachings"
yes, except the teachings are actually not pragmatic in the normal use of the term. that's exactly the point. they try to lead you to a place beyond attachment to specific descriptions, and trying to formalize any such system is like going to a restaurant, sitting down, and proceeding to eat the menu.
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Thu, August 23, 2007 - 4:55 PM"ima person
a busy person but a person"
that remains to be seen. 0 friends and only this tribe, and pushing a book still looks fishy, "chris."
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